DUST Search - On Heavies, Firepower, and PC

Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Bradric Banewolf wrote:

Everything that has been said here is true to some extent. My question is this:

Shouldn't every suit be viable in PC?

I mean to be fair, no merc wants to put in all that work in an area just to be rendered null and void in the pinnacle of the game?! If a merc goes assault nowadays he's useless in PC for the most part?! There are a few dedicated assault slayers still around that can get it done, but they're playing on extremely hard mode.

Having a proto sentinel almost guarantees a role in PC right now. I don't know how many PC chats I have been in where if you say "RF1" 32 mercs type "proto heavy" in the chat?! I myself am on the bench unless I type that I also have proto scout in the chat. I am them bound to sprint-hack-die duty for the duration of the PC match?!

Right now in PC your either a heavy, logi-*****, or scout. I would love to see PC a whole overhauled completely! Currently it's just a skirmish on roids where we go to die quicker in full proto than we do normally in standard fits?!

Alot of mercs here in the forums have proposed some changes, but with all the changes that the game has seen I think it's time for a change to PC entirely. CCP, in my opinion, has started to notice. This is why they started to work on factional warfare! I believe until we can truly add eve on a larger scale than just OB support, until we can make PC a true war mode, and until we can find a cure for tactic-less spam we will be stuck with a mode no one wants to waste isk on?!

I think the key to attracting more players is PC. So it will need to be worthwhile. Players like to reach the meat of the story in gaming, and PC for all intents and purposes is that steak sandwich in dust. For a player to grind up enough SP to participate in PC just to realize it's an incomplete game mode riddled with heavy and scout spam is dissapointing?!

I completely understand the OP's point here because I've seen it. If you don't think it's true go get in a proto assault with your best weapon, and fight in a PC. The only thing you will accomplish is burning isk?!

Proto Assault is not extreme hard mode.

I have ADV minASS and it is VERY good. Like close to being OP good. If you have a squad, assaults are better than scouts, unless you are the only scout in the squad.

I haven't run it in a PC as of yet, but once the sidearm event is over+2 weeks capping, Ill be relatively close to full proto, at which point Ill probably run it over my min scout except for the occasional speed hack or HP defense.

Comparatively, assault is hard mode in PC, you don't know this because you said it yourself - you haven't tried it yet.


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Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 424	Posted - 2014.10.24 20:09:00 - [1] - Quote Everything that has been said here is true to some extent. My question is this: Shouldn't every suit be viable in PC? I mean to be fair, no merc wants to put in all that work in an area just to be rendered null and void in the pinnacle of the game?! If a merc goes assault nowadays he's useless in PC for the most part?! There are a few dedicated assault slayers still around that can get it done, but they're playing on extremely hard mode. Having a proto sentinel almost guarantees a role in PC right now. I don't know how many PC chats I have been in where if you say "RF1" 32 mercs type "proto heavy" in the chat?! I myself am on the bench unless I type that I also have proto scout in the chat. I am them bound to sprint-hack-die duty for the duration of the PC match?! Right now in PC your either a heavy, logi-*****, or scout. I would love to see PC a whole overhauled completely! Currently it's just a skirmish on roids where we go to die quicker in full proto than we do normally in standard fits?! Alot of mercs here in the forums have proposed some changes, but with all the changes that the game has seen I think it's time for a change to PC entirely. CCP, in my opinion, has started to notice. This is why they started to work on factional warfare! I believe until we can truly add eve on a larger scale than just OB support, until we can make PC a true war mode, and until we can find a cure for tactic-less spam we will be stuck with a mode no one wants to waste isk on?! I think the key to attracting more players is PC. So it will need to be worthwhile. Players like to reach the meat of the story in gaming, and PC for all intents and purposes is that steak sandwich in dust. For a player to grind up enough SP to participate in PC just to realize it's an incomplete game mode riddled with heavy and scout spam is dissapointing?! I completely understand the OP's point here because I've seen it. If you don't think it's true go get in a proto assault with your best weapon, and fight in a PC. The only thing you will accomplish is burning isk?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 424	Posted - 2014.10.24 20:23:00 - [2] - Quote Dust User wrote: If the maps had more depth and secondary objectives heavy spam wouldn't be viable. Until they fix that we will continue to battle it out in the meatgrinder. Here's ^^^^ the short of it. We need to spend more time focusing on the real problem. The tools are in place, but the maps are now to small for the level of carnage we are capable of. I have a question: Why isn't the new open maps used for PC? Currently PC's are fought on the 3/2 maps. As in 3 in the city, and 2 outside. The 2/2 seems unpopular, and the 2/3 isn't either. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 424	Posted - 2014.10.24 20:29:00 - [3] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Ripcord19981 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Plasma Cannon or Mass Driver. Area denial should be your friend. Make the Mass driver viable and you have your fix. Inb4 ur dum for suggestion plasma cannon and mass driver winmatar commando with dual massdrivers +++++++++++++kills in comfined areas Do that in a PC against an organized team of 16. Tell me how it goes. ty, some 1 else that gets it. thats all pc is. A:"we gotta get A guys" B:"is it outside?" A:"Yea" B:"Send all the tanks u can get" A:"we're losing B, in the compex" B: "**** this strategy send all proto heavies u find" loltanks Tanks are useless in PC. What??!!! No they're not!!! You must apply them correctly, fund the tanker correctly, and know how to protect them correctly. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 426	Posted - 2014.10.25 05:26:00 - [4] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Everything that has been said here is true to some extent. My question is this: Shouldn't every suit be viable in PC? I mean to be fair, no merc wants to put in all that work in an area just to be rendered null and void in the pinnacle of the game?! If a merc goes assault nowadays he's useless in PC for the most part?! There are a few dedicated assault slayers still around that can get it done, but they're playing on extremely hard mode. Having a proto sentinel almost guarantees a role in PC right now. I don't know how many PC chats I have been in where if you say "RF1" 32 mercs type "proto heavy" in the chat?! I myself am on the bench unless I type that I also have proto scout in the chat. I am them bound to sprint-hack-die duty for the duration of the PC match?! Right now in PC your either a heavy, logi-*****, or scout. I would love to see PC a whole overhauled completely! Currently it's just a skirmish on roids where we go to die quicker in full proto than we do normally in standard fits?! Alot of mercs here in the forums have proposed some changes, but with all the changes that the game has seen I think it's time for a change to PC entirely. CCP, in my opinion, has started to notice. This is why they started to work on factional warfare! I believe until we can truly add eve on a larger scale than just OB support, until we can make PC a true war mode, and until we can find a cure for tactic-less spam we will be stuck with a mode no one wants to waste isk on?! I think the key to attracting more players is PC. So it will need to be worthwhile. Players like to reach the meat of the story in gaming, and PC for all intents and purposes is that steak sandwich in dust. For a player to grind up enough SP to participate in PC just to realize it's an incomplete game mode riddled with heavy and scout spam is dissapointing?! I completely understand the OP's point here because I've seen it. If you don't think it's true go get in a proto assault with your best weapon, and fight in a PC. The only thing you will accomplish is burning isk?! Proto Assault is not extreme hard mode. I have ADV minASS and it is VERY good. Like close to being OP good. If you have a squad, assaults are better than scouts, unless you are the only scout in the squad. I haven't run it in a PC as of yet, but once the sidearm event is over+2 weeks capping, Ill be relatively close to full proto, at which point Ill probably run it over my min scout except for the occasional speed hack or HP defense. Comparatively, assault is hard mode in PC, you don't know this because you said it yourself - you haven't tried it yet. Assaults are good, but in PC they are only good outside the city?! If the scouts don't get you that is?! There's an entirely different battle going on in the city, and trust me assaults are just getting in the way there?! "Anybody order chaos?"